Monday, February 26, 2007

Was Jesus Christ really crucified?

First of all, the Islamic perspective

4:156-159
"That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary a grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjunction to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them."



The Christians believe that Jesus was crucified and died on the cross for their sins.

Before we see what the bible says, lets look at some of the inconsistencies in the bible relating to this matter:


Who Carries Jesus’ Cross?
In the Passion narratives, did Jesus carry his own cross or not?

Mark 15:21, Matthew 27:32, Luke 23:26 - Jesus gets help from Simon of Cyrene
John 19:17 - Jesus carries his own cross the whole way
Inscription on Jesus’ Cross:


When crucified, Jesus’ cross had an inscription — but what did it say?

Mark 15:26 - The inscription: “The King of the Jews.”
Matthew 27:37 - The inscription: “This is Jesus the King of the Jews.”
Luke 23:38 - The inscription: “This is the King of the Jews.”
John 19:19 - The inscription: “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews.”


Jesus and the Thieves:
Some gospels say Jesus was crucified with two thieves, though the Romans never crucified thieves.
Mark - The two thieves are mentioned, but there is no conversation
Matthew 27:44 - The two thieves taunt Jesus
Luke 23:39-42 - One thief taunts Jesus and is criticized by the other. Jesus promises the 2nd thief that they would be in Paradise that day, though John and Acts say he did not ascend to heaven until 40 days after his resurrection
John - The two men aren’t described as thieves



Does Jesus Drink Wine or Vinegar?
Jesus is given something to drink while he is on the cross, but what?

Mark 15:23 - Jesus is given wine mixed with myrrh, but he doesn’t drink
Matthew 27:48, Luke 23:36 - Jesus is given vinegar, but he doesn’t drink
John 19:29-30 - Jesus is given vinegar and he drinks


Jesus’ Last Words:
Jesus’ last words before dying are important, but no one seems to have written then down.

Mark 15:34-37, Matthew 27:46-50 - Jesus says: “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (but they use different Greek words for “God” — Matthew uses “Eli” and Mark uses “Eloi”)
Luke 23:46 - Jesus says: “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit.”
John 19:30 - Jesus says: “It is finished.”



Earthquake After the Resurrection:
Was there an earthquake when Jesus died?

Matthew 27:51-53 - At the moment Jesus dies, a massive earth quake strikes and opens tombs where dead people rise again
Mark, Luke, John - No earthquake is mentioned. No earthquake and no massive influx of formerly dead people is mentioned in any historical records, which is strange given how monumental such an event would be.



In addition to the very first groups of Christianity such as the Ebonites, the Corinthians, the Basilidians, the Capocratians, and the Hypisistarians never know about trinity doctrine at all. The Arians, Paulicians and Goths also accepted Jesus (peace be upon him) as a prophet of God and against the trinity.

Even in the modern age there are churches in Asia, in Africa, the Unitarian church, the Jehovah's witnesses, and even the majority of today's Anglican Bishops do not worship Jesus (peace be upon him) as one in three, as what been report by the "Daily News" 25/6/84 under the heading "Shock survey of Anglican Bishops."

Moreover, the 'Socinianism', the 17th-century Christian also rejects such traditional doctrines as the Trinity and original sin, the founder is Socinus, and his Latinized name of Lelio Francesco Maria Sozzini (1525-1562), the Italian Protestant theologian.






Some errors in Crucifixion story have been mentioned above, the rest are below:


Matthew 26:56 says that no one witnessed the event of crucifixion, all the disciples had fled, that's why we see the following errors mentioned in the story of crucifixion.

Was Jesus crucified on a tree (according to Peter), cross (according to others), or never got crucified (according to Islam)?

Acts 5
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 10
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

Acts 13
28 And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain.
29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.
30 But God raised him from the dead:

1 Peter 2
23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.


About the cross, you people know, that's what you believe, that's why I am not giving references for that.






Roman soldiers come to arrest Jesus
Luke 22:45
When he rose from prayer and returned to his disciples, he found them sleeping from grief.

If the disciples were sleeping, then who is narrating this story that Jesus was praying? How does the disciple know what Jesus was doing as the disciple was sleeping?



The Islamic belief

When the disciples were sleeping, Judas, the traitor, came in and his face changed to that of Jesus. Jesus (pbuh) had already departed to the third heaven when the disciples were sleeping.

If we look into this matter more closely, we will see that Jesus (pbuh) and the disciples were waiting for the Roman soldiers. The disciples had sold their clothes and bought swords and were waiting for the Roman soldiers. This is a war like situation with a lot of emotions and tension around and scientifically one doesn't sleep in such a state.

How can one sleep in such a tense time and mood?

Obviously, this was a miracle that they slept. As per Islamic belief, Jesus (pbuh) did return the third day after the crucifixion of Judas to explain to the disciples what had happened.

Jesus took with him Peter, John and James
One of the three struck the Roman soldier and cut off his ear.

Matthew 26:56 says that all the disciples foresook him and fled and in verse 69 to 74 Peter keeps denying that he knows Jesus to save his life.

I don't understand this. At one time, such bravery, fighting the Roman soldiers and at another time, such cowardice, completely rejecting Jesus while shouting and cursing.

The disciples had sold their clothes to buy swords. This is how one knows that they were waiting for the Roman soldiers. Jesus placed them into positions, 2 outside, some inside and some closest to him.

All of them slep when he was praying, he came to see them and they were still sleeping. How dio they know what Jesus was saying in his prayers when they were asleep? How did they write the bible and say that Jesus spoke such and such words?


Preparing for war
". . . Lord, behold, here are two SWORDS." And he said unto them, "It is enough".
Luke 22:38

The disciples and Jesus were ready for the Roman soldiers to fight.


Serious Questions arise

1. Who is writing this story?

2. How is he writing this story when he was asleep?

3. How does he know what Jesus was doing and what he was saying in his prayer?

4. What was Jesus praying for if not asking for help to not get crucified?

5. Jesus had set the other disciples outside and far from him. Only Peter, John and James were the closest to him and they too were asleep. How does the disciple faw away and also asleep know what Jesus was doing?

6. Why did they continue to sleep? This is a warlike situation and in such situations, one doesn't sleep like the way the disciples did. How come all of them slept at once, what is wrong with them?

7. Jesus had told the disciples to take swords, they had only two swords with them. They were all waiting for the Roman soldiers to come. Two disciples outside, some inside and John, Peter and James closest to him. If this is not positioning for war, then what is this?

8. Was the swordsman who cut off the ear Peter?

9. Either Peter, John or James struck the Roman soldier and cut off his ear. This is extreme bravery. Then how come the disciples fled later on and Peter even refused to recognise Jesus and kept swearing and cursing?

10. Why is the man on the cross shouting "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" The Christians believe that that man gave his life deliberately but these words sound as if that man doesn't want to die on the cross.


Legs of Jesus not broken
Jesus' legs were not broken on the cross which was against the normal practice.

According to the bible, Jesus survived the cross.

Matthew records that the learned men among the Jews -- the Scribes and
Pharisees -- came to Jesus and asked, "MASTER, WE WOULD SEE A SIGN FROM THEE"
(Matthew 12:38).

NO "SIGN" BUT ONE

With righteous indignation Jesus replies: "AN EVIL AND ADULTEROUS GENERATION SEEKETH AFTER A SIGN; AND THERE SHALL NO SIGN (no miracle) BE GIVEN TO IT, BUT THE SIGN (miracle) OF THE PROPHET JONAS: FOR AS JONAS WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE WHALE'S BELLY; SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH." (Matthew 12:39-40).

What was the sign of Jonah?
The sign was that Jonah stayed for three days and three nights in whale's belly ALIVE (Jonah 1:12).

Some Christians say that the sign is three days and three nights.
Let's take a look at that. All Christians believe that Jesus was crucified on good Friday, he came out of the tomb on the first day. What is the first day according to the Jews? It is Sunday. The time difference is by no way three days and three nights. Even if you take Monday to be the first day according to Christians, even then no three days or three nights.
THE SIGN IS THAT JESUS WAS ALIVE.

Other points that I will just summarise below:

1. Jesus was disguised as a gardener. Why would a spirit (dead, then raised alive or whatever is the suitable word) be hiding from the Jews?

2. How can a spirit eat? Jesus ate fish according to the bible.

3. Why were the gates open, the sheets unfolded? The spirit could have gone through the wall.


Mary Magdeline came forward to touch Jesus when He was disguised as a gardener but Jesus stepped back and stopped her as He was in pain.

Can a soul be in physical pain?

"Jesus debunked their false notion of the resurrection, by saying that at the resurrection: 'neither shall they die any more' (Luke 20:36) meaning that the resurrected persons will be Immortalised. They will not be subject to death any more, no more hanger or thirst, no more fatigue. In short, all the instruments of death will be powerless against the resurrected body. Jesus continues to explain: 'for they (the resurrected bodies) are equal unto the angles,' that is, that they will be Angelised - spiritualised, that they will become spirit-creatures, i.e. Spirits;'and the children of God, for such are the children of the resurrection." (Luke 20:36).


Talking to the disciples

Jesus explained that He was not a Spirit, not a Ghost, not a Spook. To assure them further after having offered his hands and feet for inspection and verification that his was a material, physical body, and that all their bewilderment and disbelief was unjustified, he asked his disciples: "Have you here any meat?" (Meaning something to eat). "And they gave him a piece of broiled fish and of a honeycomb, and he took it, and did eat before them." (Luke 24:41-43)


JESUS EATS TO SHOW TO THE DISCIPLES THAT HE IS NOT A SOUL



WHY DID MARY MAGDELINE GO TO THE TOMB?

The Gospel writers say that she went to "anoint" him. The Hebrew word for anoint is "masaha", which means - 'to rub', 'to massage', 'to anoint'. The word and its meaning are the same in the Arabic language also. From this root word "masaha" we get the Arabic word "MASEEH" and the Hebrew "MESSIAH" both meaning the same thing - "the anointed one" which is translated into Greek as "Christos" from which we derive the word Christ.

DO JEWS MASSAGE DEAD BODIES AFTER THREE DAYS?
"No!"

DO MUSLIMS MASSAGE DEAD BODIES AFTER THREE DAYS?
"No!"

DO CHRISTIANS MASSAGE DEAD BODIES AFTER THREE DAYS?
"No!"

It is common knowledge that within three hours after death, rigor mortis sets in - the breaking up of the body cells - the hardening of the body. In three days the corpse starts rotting from within. If we massage such a rotting body, it will fall to pieces.




DOES IT MAKE SENSE THAT MARY MAGDALENE WANTS TO MASSAGE A ROTTING DEAD BODY AFTER THREE DAYS?


It makes no sense, unless we confess that she was looking for a L-I•V•E Jesus, not a dead one. You will recognise this fact for yourself on analysing her reactions towards Jesus when she eventually saw through his disguise. You see, she had seen signs of life in that limp body when it was taken down from the cross. She was about the only woman beside Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus who had given the final (?) rites to the body of Jesus. This man NICODEMUS, somehow, has been deliberately blotted out by the synoptists. The Gospel writers of Matthew, Mark and Luke are totally ignorant of this devoted and self-sacrificing disciple of Jesus. His name is NOT even mentioned in the first three Gospels in ANY context. "it is difficult to avoid concluding that the omission in the synoptic tradition of the mysterious disciple was intentional", says Dr Hugh J Schonfield, one of the world's leading Biblical scholars.




The Stone

When Mary of Magdala reached the tomb, she found that the stone had already been rolled away, and the winding sheets bundled on the ledge within the sepulcher.

WHY WAS THE STONE REMOVED, AND WHY WERE THE WINDING SHEETS FOUND UNWOUND?

Does a spirit need to come out of stones like humans by moving the stone away? Can't spirits come through things?

It would be impossible for any tangible material body to come out with the stone blocking the opening, and the same physical body could not walk out with the winding sheets encasing the body. For a resurrected body, it would have been unnecessary to remove the stone or to unwind the winding sheets.

Jesus comes up to Mary M. who had come to look for Jesus and upon not finding him, started crying. He questions her, "Woman, why weepest thou? Whom seekest thou?" (John 20:15).

He knew that she was looking for him in the tomb, and not finding him there, was crying in her disappointment. He also knew that she would not be able to see through his disguise. Though he had been through an ordeal, he still had that sense of humour to ask her, "
Woman, why weepest thou? Whom seekest thou?
"SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARDENER, SAITH UNTO HIM
" (John 20:15).

When Mary M. found out that the man disguised as a gardener was Jesus, she came forward to touch him.
"
Touch me not"?
"For I am not yet ASCENDED unto my Father
;" (John 20:17).

For I am not yet ASCENDED unto my Father" means - "I AM NOT DEAD YET'.





Who moved the stone?

"....and HE (Joseph of Arimathea) rolled a stone against the door of the tomb" (Mark 15:46). St. Mark is here supported word by word by St. Matthew who in Chapter 27 and verses 60 states that "....HE (Joseph of Arimathea) rolled a great stone to the door of the tomb and departed".

Conclusion

Jesus did not die on the cross according to the bible, He survived the crucifixion. The Bible in this matter agrees with the Quran that Jesus did not die on the cross.

Who deceived the millions of Christians for the past TWO THOUSAND years. GOD or the DEVIL?

"THE DEVIL!"

Is Crucifiction not the mightiest hoax in history?


More here and here .

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

You can point out some meaningless inerrancies in the crucifixion story all you want. But deny the fact the Josephus (the single greatest Jewish historian) affirms that Jesus was crucified by the Romans.

http://invitationtotruth.wordpress.com said...

A Jewish historian?

Perhaps you didn't read the Qur'anic verse well. This is what the Jews said and they will say this because this is the only or main reason why the Jews reject Jesus. According to the Old Testament, he cannot be killed and therefore, the alleged murder of Jesus disqualifies him.

tent said...

Freind, Jesus spoke about his death and resurrection atleast a dozen times before it happens.
It was written by Isiah the Prophet 700 years before this happens .Read Isaiah 53.
And his crucifixion and resurrection were all prophesied in Psalms amd other books of the Bilble.The beginning of your post itself proves that those are not the words spoke by God.

http://invitationtotruth.wordpress.com said...

Jesus will definitely die when he returns and he will be resurrected with all of us on the day of resurrection.

As for Isaiah 53, a former Christian has explained it very well:

http://www.why-christians-convert-to-islam.com/isaiah53crucres.html



As for the prophecies in Psalm, there is not a single prophecy that speaks of his death:

First of all Hebrews 5:7 also says that Jesus was saved from death.

"Lo, My servant doth act wisely, He is high, and hath been lifted up, And hath been very high. (From Young's Literal Translation Bible, Isaiah 52:13)"

This is just what the Quran says, Jesus was raised up alive to heaven by God and he will return very soon.


Psalm 91:

3 Surely he will save you ...

4 He will cover you ...

5 You will not fear ...

8 You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked.

(According to the Noble Quran and the original writings of the Disciples of Jesus, Jesus was not crucified, and he watched the crucifixion of the doomed person).

10 then no harm will befall you...

11 For he will command his angels concerning you
to guard you in all your ways;

12 they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.

(If Jesus died on the cross and got buried, then his feet would've struck the ground and the stones on it from bringing him down, throwing him on the floor and burying him).

14 "Because he loves me," says the LORD, "I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.



So we see that Jesus has been saved!

Also read Psalm 22,88 and Isaiah 42-54.

Unknown said...

Do You Think Jesus Lied About His Death?
Jesus spoke about His own sufferings ,crucifixion death and rsurrection atleast a dozen times before it happened.Listen To These Scriptues-:
"Destroy this temple ,and I will raise it up in three days.."John;2:19.It was during his first visit to Jerusalem with the disciples ..[The Jews thought it was about the Temple building which took forty six years to complete.]

As Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert so the son of man must be lifted up.".John;3:14,15.[Moses made a bronze serpent in the desert and lifted it up on a pole so that those who were bitten by the snakes look up to it and live.Likewise Jesus was raised on the cross so that a dying sinner could look up to the cross and live]

"But none will be given ,except the sign of Jonah. For as Jonah was in the belly of a fish three days and three nights so the son of man will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights.." Mathew;12:39,40.[Prophet Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites by being in the belly of a fish Jesus also was buried in the earth and came out alive after three days]

""The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life."Luke;9;22.

""The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men. They will kill him, and on the third day he will be raised to life."Mathew;17;22,2.

""We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will turn him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!"Mathew;20;17-19[ While he was getting ready for the last journey to Jerusalem.]

"In any case, I must keep going today and tomorrow and the next day--for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!"Luke;13;33.[ This Jesus spoke on the way to Jerusalem when some people came and told him that king Herod was seeking to kill him]

"You know after two days passover is coming and the son of man will be delivered up to be crucified "Mathew;26;2 [Two days before crucifixion .Jesus died as the passover lamb]
"You will all fall away because of me tonight but after I am raised up I will go before you to Galilee"Mathew;26:31,32[ Few hours before Jesus was arrested]
'Behold the hour is at hand ,The son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.Rise let us be giong,see my betrayer is at hand.."Mathew ;26:42.[ Just few minutes before he gives up himself to be crucified]

Unknown said...

AMAZING FACTS ABOUT THE CROSS OF JESUS CHRIST !
"This was written a thousand years before the birth of Jesus. When David wrote this, the method of crucifixion was unknown to the world.Crucifixion was introduced as a method of execution by the Romans thousand years later. No one pierced the hands and feet of David who wrote this Psalm as we read here.David being a prophet was prophesying concerning the death of the Messiah who was to be executed this way. This came true in Jesus'life when he was hanging nailed to the cross and being mocked cruelly by the people who surrounded him..
Another amazing prophecy we see in Psalm 16.It is about the resurrection of Jesus from the dead."You will not abandon me to the grave, nor will you let your Holy One see decay." Psalm; 16;9,10 Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet." Psalm;22
David who wrote these words died and saw corruption.His tomb is in Jerusalem to this day.But Jesus whom God raised from the dead did not see decay,His body did not remain in the grave either just as it was written in this Psalm
God did not forsake Jesus only to die on the cross.Neither did he leave him in the grave to see corruption. But God the Father raised Jesus from the dead and made him seated at the right hand of His throne in heaven.In another Psalm we read about this exaltation of Jesus Christ by God. "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."110;1
1. Jesus Christ died and rose again according to the scriptures.Everything about him was written before he comes into the world.Where he is going to be born.From which family he is to come.His miraculous birth,sufferings death resurrection -all these things were written by the prophets before his birth.,

http://invitationtotruth.wordpress.com said...

Jesus did not lie about his no death!

[The Jews thought it was about the Temple building which took forty six years to complete.]

[Moses made a bronze serpent in the desert and lifted it up on a pole so that those who were bitten by the snakes look up to it and live.Likewise Jesus was raised on the cross so that a dying sinner could look up to the cross and live]


Two very strange interpretations!
I have explained above that he did not die and therefore, these interpretations are false.


Sign of Jonah has been explained above. Jonah was alive and so was Jesus! It shows that you are not reading and are just replying without knowledge. I have included all these points in the original article and I have quite an experience on debates and therefore, it includes all of it.


Son of man betrayed?
Maybe that was what the disciples thought but Hebrews 5:7 says otherwise and also the prophecies in OT speak otherwise!

"You know after two days passover is coming and the son of man will be delivered up to be crucified "Mathew;26;2

Delvered and not actually crucified! God raised him up alive before that as mentioned in the Quran and OT.

"Lo, My servant doth act wisely, He is high, and hath been lifted up, And hath been very high. (From Young's Literal Translation Bible, Isaiah 52:13)"

This is just what the Quran says, Jesus was raised up alive to heaven by God and he will return very soon.


Psalm 91:

3 Surely he will save you ...

4 He will cover you ...

5 You will not fear ...

8 You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked.

(According to the Noble Quran and the original writings of the Disciples of Jesus, Jesus was not crucified, and he watched the crucifixion of the doomed person).

10 then no harm will befall you...

11 For he will command his angels concerning you
to guard you in all your ways;

12 they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.

(If Jesus died on the cross and got buried, then his feet would've struck the ground and the stones on it from bringing him down, throwing him on the floor and burying him).

14 "Because he loves me," says the LORD, "I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.



So we see that Jesus has been saved!

Also read Psalm 22,88 and Isaiah 42-54.